Jay
if you dont mind, are you renting or own and if renting where at, at CHD
and what kind of plane?

I got checked out in a arrow IV at CHD last year, have been working on
my multi-engine recently at falcon but thinking of going back out to CHD
to get in an arrow again.


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Jeff wrote:
> Jay
> if you dont mind, are you renting or own and if renting where at, at CHD
> and what kind of plane?
>
> I got checked out in a arrow IV at CHD last year, have been working on
> my multi-engine recently at falcon but thinking of going back out to CHD
> to get in an arrow again.

Hi Jeff,

Currently, I am a member of a flying club based at Stellar Airpark
called The Arizona Cloudbusters. Small club with one 172SP, and two
late model C182s (a K and a P model)

I did my training at Tailwind Flight Centre at CHD and I can reccomend
them without hesitation. IMO (and, for perspective, I'm a relatively
new pilot) their planes are in very good shape, they run an honest
business and while they've had some CFI turnover of late, the guys I've
met even after I stopped renting there seem to be really sharp.

IIRC, they have 2 C150s, 4 C172SPs (just added a G1000 equipped bird),
an Arrow and a twin (but the exact model escapes me, sorry...A Seminole
maybe...I may be thinking of Angel Air at Stellar.)

If you go to Tailwind, ask for Tom Guifolye Sr or Jr (the owners ...
aka T1 and T2) and have a chat with them.

If I can be of more help, let me know.

Regards,

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

I'll also put in a shareless plug for Phoenix flyers, a non-profit
member-owned flying club. Excellent rates and good maintenance on 2
Archers, 1 Arrow, and 1 Commanche 260 based at CHD and DVT.

www.phoenixflyers.org for more info.

-Dan


Jay B wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
> > Jay
> > if you dont mind, are you renting or own and if renting where at, at CHD
> > and what kind of plane?
> >
> > I got checked out in a arrow IV at CHD last year, have been working on
> > my multi-engine recently at falcon but thinking of going back out to CHD
> > to get in an arrow again.
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Currently, I am a member of a flying club based at Stellar Airpark
> called The Arizona Cloudbusters. Small club with one 172SP, and two
> late model C182s (a K and a P model)
>
> I did my training at Tailwind Flight Centre at CHD and I can reccomend
> them without hesitation. IMO (and, for perspective, I'm a relatively
> new pilot) their planes are in very good shape, they run an honest
> business and while they've had some CFI turnover of late, the guys I've
> met even after I stopped renting there seem to be really sharp.
>
> IIRC, they have 2 C150s, 4 C172SPs (just added a G1000 equipped bird),
> an Arrow and a twin (but the exact model escapes me, sorry...A Seminole
> maybe...I may be thinking of Angel Air at Stellar.)
>
> If you go to Tailwind, ask for Tom Guifolye Sr or Jr (the owners ...
> aka T1 and T2) and have a chat with them.
>
> If I can be of more help, let me know.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay Beckman
> PP-ASEL
> Chandler, AZ

"Jay B" > wrote:
> IIRC, they have 2 C150s, 4 C172SPs (just added a G1000 equipped bird),
> an Arrow and a twin (but the exact model escapes me, sorry...A Seminole
> maybe...I may be thinking of Angel Air at Stellar.)

It's a Seneca.

wrote:
> "Jay B" > wrote:
> > IIRC, they have 2 C150s, 4 C172SPs (just added a G1000 equipped bird),
> > an Arrow and a twin (but the exact model escapes me, sorry...A Seminole
> > maybe...I may be thinking of Angel Air at Stellar.)
>
> It's a Seneca.

Thanks,

I knew you'd remember!

Jay B

Jay, thanks for the info, I am gonna go check them out

Jeff

Jay B wrote:

> Jeff wrote:
> > Jay
> > if you dont mind, are you renting or own and if renting where at, at CHD
> > and what kind of plane?
> >
> > I got checked out in a arrow IV at CHD last year, have been working on
> > my multi-engine recently at falcon but thinking of going back out to CHD
> > to get in an arrow again.
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Currently, I am a member of a flying club based at Stellar Airpark
> called The Arizona Cloudbusters. Small club with one 172SP, and two
> late model C182s (a K and a P model)
>
> I did my training at Tailwind Flight Centre at CHD and I can reccomend
> them without hesitation. IMO (and, for perspective, I'm a relatively
> new pilot) their planes are in very good shape, they run an honest
> business and while they've had some CFI turnover of late, the guys I've
> met even after I stopped renting there seem to be really sharp.
>
> IIRC, they have 2 C150s, 4 C172SPs (just added a G1000 equipped bird),
> an Arrow and a twin (but the exact model escapes me, sorry...A Seminole
> maybe...I may be thinking of Angel Air at Stellar.)
>
> If you go to Tailwind, ask for Tom Guifolye Sr or Jr (the owners ...
> aka T1 and T2) and have a chat with them.
>
> If I can be of more help, let me know.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jay Beckman
> PP-ASEL
> Chandler, AZ


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"Jeff" > wrote in message ...
> Jay, thanks for the info, I am gonna go check them out
>
> Jeff


Jeff,

My pleasure...

Keep in touch and let me know which way you decide to go.

Glad to hear from another Valley pilot.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
AZ Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

I was looking at phoenix flyers, that comanche looked pretty old, but I only
hear good things about those planes.

Dan wrote:

> I'll also put in a shareless plug for Phoenix flyers, a non-profit
> member-owned flying club. Excellent rates and good maintenance on 2
> Archers, 1 Arrow, and 1 Commanche 260 based at CHD and DVT.
>
> www.phoenixflyers.org for more info.


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Jeff,

Yes, the Comanche is old, however it does have a Garmin 430, nice
autopilot, and 84 gals of fuel.

We are looking at a proposal to sell the Arrow and replace it with a
1998 or newer 182 with a Garmin GPS. If we did this, we would need to
increase the buy-in from $2,000 to $4,000 and the monthly dues from $85
to $100. The new 182 would rent for $93/hr (tach time) wet, same price
as the Arrow goes for right now.

Would this make our club more or less attractive to you? Just
wondering how prospective members would view this plan.

Thanks,
Dan




Jeff wrote:
> I was looking at phoenix flyers, that comanche looked pretty old, but I only
> hear good things about those planes.
>
> Dan wrote:
>
> > I'll also put in a shareless plug for Phoenix flyers, a non-profit
> > member-owned flying club. Excellent rates and good maintenance on 2
> > Archers, 1 Arrow, and 1 Commanche 260 based at CHD and DVT.
> >
> > www.phoenixflyers.org for more info.
>
>
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"Dan" > wrote

> We are looking at a proposal to sell the Arrow and replace it with a
> 1998 or newer 182 with a Garmin GPS. If we did this, we would need to
> increase the buy-in from $2,000 to $4,000

That is a pretty sizable jump. Any way you can do it for a little less,
like perhaps a little more per hour?

That would be my suggestion. Big amounts of "cash right now" is harder for
some to manage, than more spread out along a longer time.
--
Jim in NC

True... although we are looking to spend $200k. Also, a member gets
their buy-in back if they ever leave the club...

--Dan

Morgans wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote
>
> > We are looking at a proposal to sell the Arrow and replace it with a
> > 1998 or newer 182 with a Garmin GPS. If we did this, we would need to
> > increase the buy-in from $2,000 to $4,000
>
> That is a pretty sizable jump. Any way you can do it for a little less,
> like perhaps a little more per hour?
>
> That would be my suggestion. Big amounts of "cash right now" is harder for
> some to manage, than more spread out along a longer time.
> --
> Jim in NC

"Dan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> True... although we are looking to spend $200k. Also, a member gets
> their buy-in back if they ever leave the club...
>
>

I don't understand quite how that works with a club. It seems that you could
give it back if there were someone else to buy it but what happens if you
loose a few members right at TBO time and the club doesn't have the cash?

We set aside reserve monies for TBO. If a few members want to leave,
and for some reason we don't have the cash (rare) we can obtain
financing against the aircraft. There is quite a bit of equity there
(over 3x the share price x # of members). We have 54 members at $2k
each right now, with 4 planes.

--Dan



Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> "Dan" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > True... although we are looking to spend $200k. Also, a member gets
> > their buy-in back if they ever leave the club...
> >
> >
>
> I don't understand quite how that works with a club. It seems that you could
> give it back if there were someone else to buy it but what happens if you
> loose a few members right at TBO time and the club doesn't have the cash?